Episodes

  • Why'd you have to go and make Jesus so complicated?

    Why'd you have to go and make Jesus so complicated?
    Jun 2 2026

    Join us for an enlightening and entertaining conversation with renowned New Testament scholar Amy-Jill Levine as we explore the Jewish roots of Jesus, the evolution of Christian and Jewish traditions, and the importance of contextual understanding in faith. Discover how embracing diversity in interpretation can deepen our faith and foster respectful dialogue.

    The Jewish Annotated New TestamentAmerican Academy of Religion Conference Society of Biblical Literature -

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    1 hr and 3 mins
  • Marco? Campolo! - Tony Campolo: lifelong explorer.

    Marco? Campolo! - Tony Campolo: lifelong explorer.
    May 12 2026
    In this episode, Lucas and Matt reintroduce their podcast after several years, exploring the profound impact of reconnecting with voices like Tony Campolo—an evangelical theologian who radically changed his public stance on marriage equality and whose story exemplifies humility, character, and ongoing growth. Main Topics:The significance of revisiting past conversations and the value of material dusted off from archivesTony Campolo’s journey from a traditional evangelical stance to embracing social justice, LGBTIQA+ inclusion, and humilityThe importance of humility, openness, and the willingness to change in leadership and faith communitiesHow public figures can challenge certainty and promote a posture of curiosity and characterThe role of character over correctness in shaping lives and faithThe influence of operational theology—how beliefs translate into lived actionsMoving beyond divisive debate to compassionate engagement and good-faith dialogueThe power of stories of personal courage to inspire societal and faith-based renewalRed Letter ChristiansTony Campolo’s WebsiteHabitat for HumanityBook: The Sin of Certainty by Peter EnnsMatt & Lucas - FacebookBeyondering - Website Tony Campolo - WebsiteTimestamps: 00:00 - Welcome back: Why this return is meaningful today01:06 - Reflection on how the world has changed since the last episodes02:07 - The importance of making space for diverse voices amid polarization03:36 - The growing desire for community, kindness, and voices of compassion05:07 - Rediscovering archived material, including Tony Campolo’s stories06:16 - Exploring the potential of new technology for more authentic podcasting07:39 - Redefining the format: Casual, conversational, less polished09:02 - Introducing Tony Campolo’s impactful story and his paradigm shift10:14 - Campolo’s embrace of social justice rooted in biblical principles13:27 - The transformation from exclusion to inclusion in his advocacy15:19 - The influence of "red-letter Christianity" and the positive prophetic voice17:42 - The role of the church in global development and social progress21:12 - Challenging the negativity and emphasizing the growth of the kingdom of God22:59 - The parable of the wheat and tares—hope amid ongoing grows of evil and good24:36 - Campolo’s courageous support for marriage equality and LGBTQ advocates28:17 - Biblical interpretations and the importance of humility and change in theology32:19 - Personal stories of loss, hope, and ongoing faith journeys within families36:02 - The importance of admitting when we are wrong and remaining open to new truth40:05 - The necessity of humility and acknowledgment of ongoing growth in faith41:58 - The dangers of infallibility claims and the power of questioning certainty44:46 - The importance of character, compassion, and doing good in the world48:17 - Reflections on the impact of leadership and example over mere words54:23 - The emergence of the “red-letter Christians” movement—living out the teachings of Jesus57:09 - Challenging the prioritization of social justice in faith practice58:39 - The call to embody both theology and lifestyle in following Jesus62:40 - The power of humility, character, and ongoing journey in faith leadership66:27 - The difference between what we say we believe and how that belief operates in our lives69:42 - The toxicity of confirmation bias and dehumanizing “debate” culture70:43 - The importance of listening, understanding, and embodying Christlike love71:40 - Closing thoughts: moving toward a faith characterized by humility and ongoing growthResources & Links:Connect with the Hosts & Guest:Note: For those interested in exploring faith with humility and character, this episode serves as a reminder of the importance of openness, ongoing learning, and real love that transforms.
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    1 hr and 13 mins