After a brief tangent on Steve's experience this week recording an audiobook and a review of the week's scant slate of new releases, the guys get into a deep conversation about the music of 2016, a fascinating year of transition in a tumultuous time. Steven and Ian talk about the year, what it meant for the future, and share their top five albums lists.

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The guys begin with a quick Sportscast about the NBA Finals (2:02) before diving into the "no phone" discourse about Phoebe Bridgers' upcoming tour (9:22). Then they talk about Ian's interview with Ben Gibbard of Death Cab For Cutie that's now up on Amazon Music (19:43) and the week's big new releases (24:28). Finally, they discuss their favorite albums of the year so far (33:43).

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For the first time in Indiecast history, we did a musician interview! And it's a big one: Ian sits down with emo legend Ben Gibbard of Death Cab For Cutie. Topics include: the NBA playoffs, how hip-hop informs his band, run-ins with Jeff Ament of Pearl Jam back in the 1990s, and more about Death Cab's new album "I Built You A Tower."

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