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Money TALK$: Wealth Beyond Numbers

Money TALK$: Wealth Beyond Numbers

By: Dr. Constance Craig-Mason MRFC® NSSA®
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Welcome to "Money TALK$: Wealth Beyond Numbers Podcast", where financial transformation meets emotional healing. Hosted by Dr. Constance Craig-Mason, a passionate financial expert and advocate for breaking cycles of financial trauma, this podcast goes beyond the numbers to help you heal from past financial trauma, build generational wealth, and create a lasting legacy of peace and prosperity. Dr. Constance's journey is rooted in personal experience—feeling the impact of financial struggles in her own life, she felt called to help others navigate the emotional and practical sides of money management. With a unique blend of heart and expertise, she combines culturally relevant financial strategies with practical tools to help you take control of your financial life. Whether it's recovering from financial setbacks, building generational wealth, or empowering yourself through financial literacy, this podcast gives you the tools and confidence to not just survive but thrive financially. Each episode is designed to inspire and equip you with actionable advice you can apply right away. Plus you'll hear from real people in the "Money TALK$ Moment" segment, where real guests share powerful stories of their financial journeys and the lessons they learned along the way. Join Dr. Constance on a journey that goes beyond the numbers, helping you heal, grow, and thrive financially. Together, we'll transform your financial story, one step at a time2025 Economics Leadership Management & Leadership Personal Development Personal Success
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  • From Pay Day Loans to Prosperity: 7 Figure CEO Money Moves W/ Kellé Thorpe

    From Pay Day Loans to Prosperity: 7 Figure CEO Money Moves W/ Kellé Thorpe
    Jun 17 2026
    In this episode of Money TALK$: Wealth Beyond Numbers, Dr. Constance sits down with Kellé Thorpe, CEO and Fractional CFO behind Kommas with Kellé , for a powerful conversation on financial transformation, wealth mindset, and building sustainable systems for long-term success. From payday loan struggles to supporting 7-figure CEOs with high-level financial strategy, Kellé shares how emotional intelligence, financial literacy, and strategic planning all intersect to create real, lasting wealth. This episode breaks down what it takes to move from financial survival to CEO-level stewardship—including paying yourself first, understanding leverage, and building a trusted financial team that supports your growth. Be sure to check out our website to find out how to start your Financial Wellness journey today! https://moneytalksmovement.com 💡 Main Topics Covered The connection between personal money stories and business success Breaking scarcity mindset patterns around debt and self-worthWhy paying yourself first is a non-negotiable for entrepreneursHow financial literacy impacts both personal and business wealth Building a high-level financial "dream team" (including fractional CFOs) Overcoming payday loans, credit challenges, and financial shame Forecasting, compliance, and strategic financial planning for growthHow 7-figure CEOs structure compensation and long-term wealth ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – Introduction to Kellé Thorpe and her mission in wealth building 01:19 – Kellé's journey from resilience to entrepreneurship 02:33 – Business performance vs. personal financial health 03:26 – Childhood scarcity and its impact on money mindset 04:12 – Growing up in a single-parent household and community service influence 05:07 – Early financial mistakes and lessons from debt 06:25 – Credit mismanagement and financial literacy gaps 07:55 – Transitioning from corporate life to financial growth strategy 09:10 – Rewriting scarcity-based money narratives 10:04 – Understanding leverage, credit, and access 11:29 – Financial literacy in schools and community education 12:28 – Teaching children healthy money habits early 13:26 – Youth banking, credit cards, and responsible transitions 14:11 – Money decision-making in the home 15:10 – Common entrepreneur challenges with financial documentation 16:43 – Leveraging capital and business debt strategically 17:56 – Forecasting and financial storytelling for lenders 18:24 – The role of fractional CFOs in scaling businesses 19:04 – Releasing shame around debt and rebuilding self-worth 20:33 – Structuring business pay and CEO compensation strategy 22:20 – Salaries, 401(k)s, and legacy wealth building 23:07 – Aligning personal and business value for sustainable pay 25:18 – The mistake of not paying yourself as an owner 26:18 – Creating structured compensation and reward systems 28:50 – Building your financial dream team 32:44 – Payroll, taxes, and legal compliance essentials 36:35 – IRS standards for reasonable CEO compensation 39:06 – Legal and operational responsibilities for entrepreneurs 40:25 – Building a support system of advisors and CFOs 43:49 – 💥 Financial Moment: Overcoming payday loan struggles 47:38 – How to connect with Kellé Thorpe 🔗 Resources & Links Bio: Kellé Thorpe is an award-winning CFO, speaker, and Founder of Kommas with Kellé (KWK), a strategic advisory firm that guides visionary CEOs in turning revenue into real wealth. With nearly 20 years of experience leading finance and operations in organizations ranging from $7 million to $2 billion, Kellé has built her career guiding leaders through growth, complexity, and high-stakes decisions. She recognized early on that growing revenue doesn't always translate into stronger margins, healthier cash flow, or greater personal freedom. Today, Kellé and her team guide growth-focused CEOs in creating financial clarity, building strategic roadmaps, and aligning business success with long-term personal wealth-building goals. Through CFO advisory, forecasting, and financial leadership, KWK equips leaders to make confident decisions, scale sustainably, and build businesses that fund the life they want to live. Services: Kommas with Kelle Fractional CFO Services Connect with Kellé Thorpe: LinkedIn: Kelle Thorpe LinkedIn Instagram: @kommaswithkelle Facebook: Kommas with Kelle Facebook #MoneyTalk$ #WealthBeyondNumbers #FinancialFreedom #FinancialLiteracy #BlackWomenInBusiness #EntrepreneurMindset #CEOWealth #BusinessFinance #PayYourselfFirst #WealthBuilding #FractionalCFO #MoneyMindset #DebtFreeJourney #BusinessGrowth #FinancialEmpowerment #KommasWithKellé
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    50 mins
  • The Dope Black Therapist Takeover: Money, Marriage & Black Men

    The Dope Black Therapist Takeover: Money, Marriage & Black Men
    May 20 2026
    A Money TALK$: Wealth Beyond Numbers Conversation Featuring The Dope Black Therapist. In this powerful episode of Money TALK$: Wealth Beyond Numbers, licensed therapist and mental health advocate Blaise Harris — known online as "The Dope Black Therapist" — takes over the conversation with Dr. Constance Mason and Anthony Mason for an honest discussion about trauma, vulnerability, marriage, healing, and the emotional side of financial wellness in the Black community. Together, they unpack how childhood experiences, survival mode, and emotional suppression quietly shape the way people communicate, love, handle money, and show up in relationships. This isn't just a conversation about finances. It's a conversation about what happens behind the finances. From scarcity mindsets and emotional safety to therapy, communication, and Black masculinity, this episode creates space for the conversations many people were never taught how to have. Featured Resource: Financial Empowerment & Wellness Toolkit 💰 If you're working on healing your relationship with money while building healthier financial habits, check out the Money TALK$ Financial Empowerment & Wellness Planner Toolkit. This toolkit was designed to help individuals and families strengthen their financial literacy, organization, confidence, and long-term financial wellbeing. 🌐 Visit: Money TALK$ Movement- https://moneytalksmovement.com Main Topics Covered: How childhood trauma and adverse experiences (ACEs) shape financial and emotional behaviors Why many Black men struggle with vulnerability and emotional expression The impact of survival mode on marriage, communication, and intimacy Learning how to feel emotionally safe in relationships The connection between healing, self-awareness, and financial wellness How therapy strengthened communication and vulnerability within marriage Moving from scarcity thinking to intentional living and abundance Why emotional transparency is essential for healthy Black relationships Modeling healing and healthy communication for future generations Episode Highlights & Timestamps: 00:00 – Introduction to the episode and Blaise Harris ("The Dope Black Therapist") 02:19 – How childhood experiences shape mental health and financial perspectives 03:30 – Understanding ACEs and their long-term impact on emotional and financial wellbeing 04:32 – Unlearning survival habits like shrinking, hiding, and emotional suppression 06:50 – Black men, vulnerability, and the fear of appearing weak 08:09 – Building emotional resilience and safety within relationships 10:07 – The emotional weight many men carry silently 12:39 – Transitioning from scarcity mindset to abundance mindset 13:26 – Communication, safety, and intentional healing in marriage 19:52 – How partnership, love, and healing reshape adulthood and maturity 23:10 – The power of self-awareness and personal growth 30:06 – Marriage as a place for accountability, healing, and transformation 32:40 – Breaking generational cycles rooted in scarcity and fear 36:21 – Modeling emotional health and communication for children and grandchildren 38:17 – Why self-work impacts both relationships and finances 40:27 – Legacy, generosity, and the desire to truly be seen 41:27 – How vulnerability deepens trust, intimacy, and connection Meet The Dope Black Therapist Blaise Harris, LCMHC, NCC is the Owner of G Squared Consulting and Counseling Services, author, speaker, entrepreneur, podcaster, and founder of The Dope Black Therapist platform. After nearly 15 years as a fire fighter, Blaise recognized the urgent need for mental health support among first responders, Black men, and communities of color. Drawing from his own experiences with depression, grief, divorce, and healing, he has become a trusted voice helping others navigate trauma and emotional wellness with authenticity and cultural understanding. His work focuses heavily on trauma recovery and emotional healing using multiple therapeutic approaches, including EMDR therapy, expressive therapy, and martial arts. Book- https://a.co/d/hoUAnlF Podcast- https://open.spotify.com/show/5hFq5VYu4s2wedUaJqW2pj?si=0e5a1722bd1340eb Website- https://www.thedopeblacktherapist.com/ Final Thoughts This episode speaks directly to the realities many Black couples and Black men quietly navigate but rarely discuss openly. If you've ever struggled with emotional walls, survival mode, communication challenges, or balancing mental health while building wealth and relationships — this conversation is for you. #MoneyTalks #WealthBeyondNumbers #BlackMentalHealth #TheDopeBlackTherapist #BlackMenHealing #FinancialWellness #MentalHealthAwareness #BlackLove #MarriageAndMoney #TraumaHealing #EmotionalWellness #TherapyMatters #FinancialLiteracyMonth #HealthyRelationships #BlackProfessionals
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    47 mins
  • You Can't Budget Your Way Out of Trauma: EMDR & Money Healing Tools

    You Can't Budget Your Way Out of Trauma: EMDR & Money Healing Tools
    Apr 22 2026
    What if your money habits didn't start with you…? What if the anxiety, overworking, avoidance, or even overspending you experience today is actually rooted in childhood programming, generational patterns, and unhealed trauma? In this powerful episode of Money Talk$: Wealth Beyond Numbers, Dr. Constance Craig-Mason sits down with trauma expert Dr. Cecily Batiste for a raw, eye-opening, and deeply healing conversation. This is more than a money conversation. This is about mental health, identity, and breaking cycles that were never meant to follow you into adulthood. 💔 They get real about growing up in survival environments… 🧠 How those experiences shape financial behaviors… ✨ And most importantly—how to begin healing and rewriting your story. 👉🏾 If you've ever felt "behind," stuck, or overwhelmed when it comes to money…this episode will meet you right where you are—and help you move forward. 🔑 KEY TOPICS Why Mental Health Awareness matters during Financial Literacy MonthHow trauma + generational patterns shape your money mindsetThe impact of childhood & societal programming on financial behaviorsHow to use genograms to uncover family money patterns What EMDR therapy is—and how it helps process trauma tied to moneyThe connection between attachment styles & financial decisions Breaking free from scarcity, hustle culture, and survival modeHow to shift into an abundance mindset rooted in truth—not pressure Practical steps to access therapy, EMDR, and mental health supportWhy self-awareness + healing = financial transformation 👉🏾 You can't budget your way out of trauma—but you can start healing. Grab our Financial Wellness Planner with guided journal prompts to support your journey: https://bit.ly/FinancialPlannerPage ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 – Introduction to the episode and guests 00:29 – Mental Health Awareness & money conversations 01:00 – Trauma research and financial behaviors 01:45 – Recognizing childhood money programming 02:39 – How past experiences shape entrepreneurs 03:01 – Identifying limiting beliefs 03:35 – Programming and adult money mindset 04:13 – Societal influences (media & social) 04:55 – "Seeds" analogy: how beliefs are planted 06:10 – Racialized financial narratives in Black communities 07:30 – Modeling financial behaviors for children 08:47 – Intergenerational patterns within families 09:19 – Parenting, honesty, and financial conversations 10:00 – Navigating money talks with adult children 11:25 – Emotional impact of financial decisions 12:06 – Personal money perspectives in life decisions 12:52 – Survival mode and financial choices 13:52 – Using genograms to map money patterns 14:42 – Recognizing generational cycles 15:00 – Healing through awareness of inherited beliefs 16:02 – Language shifts for mindset transformation 16:47 – Using evidence to reinforce new beliefs 18:20 – Childhood stressors and money mindset 19:09 – Breaking hustle culture & scarcity thinking 20:21 – Moving from survival to abundance 22:03 – Therapy journey + introduction to EMDR 24:34 – What EMDR is and how it works 26:17 – Reprocessing trauma and rewiring beliefs 28:14 – Impact of parental relationships 29:26 – Attachment styles & financial behaviors 31:22 – Shifting negative thought patterns 32:50 – Reinforcing new beliefs with proof 33:40 – Mental health resources & EMDR directories 36:10 – Connecting with Dr. Cecily Batiste 🤝 CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST Dr. Cecily Batiste is a Licensed Professional Counselor Supervisor, EMDR Consultant, and trauma therapist who helps individuals understand how their lived experiences shape the way they show up in their lives, relationships, and decisions. Her work bridges clinical practice and real-world application, translating trauma into practical tools for meaningful change. She specializes in trauma treatment and research on race-based trauma, with a focus on how early experiences, family patterns, and generational influences shape beliefs about self-worth, safety, and success. Through EMDR and trauma-informed care, Dr. Batiste supports deep healing that goes beyond insight and leads to lasting transformation. Her work challenges the idea that change is only about awareness, highlighting that healing the root is often what allows everything else to shift. Cecily Batiste Dawson,PhD, LPC-Supervisor Experience Life Counseling Services, PLLC 1408A Stonehollow Dr Suite 300 Kingwood,Texas 77339 Office Number: 832-510-4016 www.experiencelife-counseling.com LinkedIn: Dr. Cecily Batiste Twitter/X: @DrCecilyBatiste 🎧 LISTEN NOW If this episode speaks to you, don't keep it to yourself— share it with someone who's ready to heal their relationship with money. 🔖 HASHTAGS #MoneyTalksPodcast #WealthBeyondNumbers #MoneyMindset #FinancialHealing #MoneyTrauma #MentalHealthMatters #FinancialLiteracyMonth #GenerationalWealth #BreakTheCycle #BlackWealth #...
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    38 mins
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