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The Digital Marketing Podcast

The Digital Marketing Podcast

By: Daniel Rowles and Ciaran Rogers
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A weekly digital marketing podcast with listeners in over 190 countries worldwide.The Digital Marketing Podcast combines interviews with global experts, together with the latest news, tools, strategies and techniques to give your digital marketing the edge. Perfect for your daily commute, the podcast aims to be both entertaining and informative. Produced by Target Internet and hosted by Daniel Rowles and Ciaran Rogers. Find out more at targetIniernet.com/podcastsCopyright Target Internet Ltd © 2025 Economics Management Management & Leadership Marketing Marketing & Sales
Episodes
  • Design That Sticks: Applying Neuroscience to Predict Attention
    May 17 2026

    Why do so many beautifully designed websites, ads and digital experiences still fail to convert?

    In this episode of The Digital Marketing Podcast, Daniel Rowles is joined by Kramer Reeves, CEO of EyeQuant, alongside neuroscientist Professor Peter König, one of the company's founders and a leading expert in visual attention and cognitive science. Together, they explore how neuroscience and AI are reshaping the way marketers, designers and brands understand attention.

    The conversation dives into the hidden mechanics behind how people actually experience digital content. From subconscious processing and visual saliency through to cognitive overload and design clarity, this episode challenges many of the assumptions marketers make about what users notice, understand and act on.

    The discussion also explores how AI-powered predictive attention modelling can help teams test creative assets before launch, reducing guesswork and improving performance across websites, ads, landing pages and social content.

    If you work in UX, creative, digital marketing or conversion optimisation, this episode offers a fascinating blend of neuroscience theory and highly practical design advice.

    In This Episode

    Why the human brain is poorly adapted to navigating modern web experiences

    What happens cognitively in the first few seconds after landing on a webpage

    Why designers often view their own work very differently from first-time users

    How "system one" thinking drives most user behaviour online

    What visual saliency means, and why it matters for conversion

    How cluttered creative and overloaded messaging dilute attention

    Why visual hierarchy, contrast and scale shape user behaviour

    The importance of creating a clear visual storyline through a page or ad

    How AI models can predict where users are most likely to look

    Why neuroscience is becoming increasingly important in modern marketing and UX

    How EyeQuant uses predictive attention modelling to help brands optimise creative before launch

    Why objective testing is becoming essential in an AI-generated content landscape

    Key Takeaways

    Attention is highly selective. You cannot make everything on a page the top priority simultaneously

    The brain processes visual information subconsciously long before conscious reasoning begins

    First impressions are heavily influenced by saliency and visual contrast

    Designers are often too familiar with their own creative to judge it objectively

    Reducing visual noise can significantly improve clarity and conversion potential

    Motion, scale and contrast naturally attract human attention because of evolutionary wiring

    Effective design is not just about aesthetics. It is about guiding behaviour

    AI-driven predictive testing can dramatically speed up optimisation workflows

    Clear intent and defined outcomes are becoming increasingly important inputs for creative analysis

    Objective attention data helps teams move beyond subjective design debates

    📥 Access the show notes, tools, and links at: https://targetinternet.com/resources/design-that-sticks-applying-neuroscience-to-predict-attention

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    25 mins
  • Reddit Marketing Case Study with Dove - Turning Real Reviews into Real Growth
    Apr 29 2026

    What happens when a global brand hands over its creative control to unfiltered customer feedback? In this episode of The Digital Marketing Podcast, Daniel Rowles speaks with Emily Barfoot, Head of Dove Beauty at Unilever, about a bold and unconventional campaign built on Reddit conversations.

    At a time when trust in polished marketing is eroding and AI is reshaping how content is discovered, Dove leaned into one of the internet's most unpredictable platforms. By amplifying genuine, unedited user reviews, both positive and negative, the brand not only drove awareness but also delivered measurable commercial impact. This episode explores how marketers can rethink control, embrace transparency, and tap into community-driven credibility.

    In This Episode

    How Dove identified an organic Reddit conversation and turned it into a multi-channel campaign
    Why Reddit's "unpolished" nature makes it a powerful platform for trust and insight
    The strategy behind publishing the first 50 real user reviews without editing or filtering
    How Dove balanced positive and negative sentiment to build credibility
    The role of social listening in shaping campaign direction and optimisation
    How Reddit content was extended into out-of-home, influencer, and experiential marketing
    Why transparency and respecting platform culture were critical to success
    How the campaign delivered over 260 million impressions and triple-digit growth in the product category
    The importance of many-to-many marketing in modern brand building
    How Reddit insights fed directly into product innovation and development

    Key Takeaways

    Authenticity is not a tactic. It is a strategic commitment that requires letting go of control
    User-generated content can outperform traditional creative when it reflects real experiences
    Reddit is not just a media channel. It is a rich source of customer insight and product feedback
    Brands must respect platform norms and community expectations to earn participation
    Balanced sentiment, including negative feedback, increases trust and credibility
    Social listening should be continuous and actionable, not just observational
    Experiential marketing can amplify digital engagement when it creates shareable moments
    AI-driven discovery makes community-led content more valuable than ever
    Strong products and existing brand trust are essential before taking transparency risks
    Marketing success increasingly depends on enabling conversations, not controlling them

    📥 Access the show notes, tools, and links at: https://targetinternet.com/resources/reddit-marketing-case-study-with-dove-turning-real-reviews-into-real-growth

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    26 mins
  • The Changing Customer Journey in an AI-First World - Insights from Adobe Enterprise's CMO
    Apr 20 2026

    As AI rapidly reshapes how customers discover, evaluate, and engage with brands, marketers are being forced to rethink the fundamentals of the customer journey. In this episode of The Digital Marketing Podcast, Daniel Rowles speaks with Rachel Thornton, CMO of Adobe Enterprise, to explore what this shift really means in practice.

    Recorded just ahead of Adobe Summit, Rachel shares exclusive insights into Adobe's latest thinking, product direction, and how enterprise marketers should adapt to an increasingly AI-driven landscape. From evolving user expectations to the rise of AI as the primary interface, this conversation goes beyond the hype to examine the real implications for strategy, data, and customer experience.

    In This Episode

    How AI is transforming the traditional linear customer journey into something far more dynamic and unpredictable
    Why discovery and consideration are being reshaped by AI-powered interfaces and assistants
    What Adobe is announcing at Summit and how it reflects broader industry shifts
    How CMOs should rethink customer engagement in an environment where AI intermediates interactions
    The growing importance of first-party data and real-time personalisation
    How enterprise organisations are adapting their tech stacks to support AI-led experiences
    The challenges of maintaining brand consistency when AI is part of the customer interface
    What marketers often misunderstand about AI and where to focus instead
    How internal teams and workflows need to evolve to keep pace with change

    Key Takeaways

    The customer journey is no longer linear. It is fluid, fragmented, and increasingly influenced by AI-driven touchpoints
    AI is becoming the primary interface between brands and customers, which changes how influence and trust are built
    Marketers need to prioritise high-quality, structured data to enable effective AI-driven personalisation
    Speed and adaptability are now critical competitive advantages in digital marketing
    Organisations must rethink not just tools, but also teams, processes, and skills
    There is a growing need to balance automation with authentic brand voice and human oversight
    Experimentation is essential. Waiting for certainty in AI adoption is likely to result in falling behind

    📥 Access the show notes, tools, and links at: https://targetinternet.com/resources/the-changing-customer-journey-in-an-ai-first-world-insights-from-adobe-cmo

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    22 mins
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