This week, Lola’s mom Dr. Christine Marie (and the podcast’s very first guest!) talks about moving to FLDS town Short Creek, how she earned the trust of new self-proclaimed prophet Sam Bateman, and what it was like going undercover with the FBI to get him put in prison for sexual abuse—and being there for the raid.

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In part two with Nikki G., she discusses more of the high-control groups she joined, the political project of the Seven Mountain Mandate that she was part of, the connection between biblical concepts of obedience and white supremacy, and how everyone joins cults, even if white people are the biggest group talking about it. Plus, the difference between “church hurt” and religious trauma.

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Surviving the Black Church Podcast

Black Religious Trauma Recovery Network

Nikki G. Speaks

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This week, Nikki G., host of Surviving the Black Church and survivor of FIVE different high-control groups, discusses joining the first church on her cult-hopping journey, how she got initially pulled down the rabbit hole by conspiracy theories and the Book of Revelation, and the intensity and community that drew her to each group.

She tells the girls about her second and more radical group, IHOP (International House of Prayer), how she eventually learned the term “religious addiction,” and why the idea of “waiting for your Boaz,” or your perfect husband, can be so harmful for women in the church.

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Surviving the Black Church Podcast

Black Religious Trauma Recovery Network

Nikki G. Speaks

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