The Michael Jackson hit is one of the most recognizable songs in pop history. What most people don't know is that the woman behind the song was a real person with a real family. La Nej is a chaplain, an apologetics teacher, a Biola grad, and someone I've known since the mid-90s. She's also the daughter of the woman the world remembers as Billy Jean. In this conversation La Nej walks through her childhood: being told Michael Jackson was her father, camping outside his Encino gate at age seven, getting abandoned in a taxi the next morning, the years in and out of foster care, the abuse, and the aunt who adopted her at twelve.

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Does the science actually point to a beginning of the universe or can clever cosmological modeling get around it? Sir Roger Penrose's Conformal Cyclic Cosmology (CCC) is one of the most serious modern attempts to model an infinite, beginning-less universe This is Part 2 of the conversation. (If you missed Part 1, watch that first! In this deep dive, Dr. Stephen Meyer walks through Penrose's CCC model in six steps, explains where he believes it works mathematically but fails physically, and shows why every infinite-universe model he and his colleagues have examined comes at what he calls a "high epistemic cost."

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