The Michael Jackson hit is one of the most recognizable songs in pop history. What most people don't know is that the woman behind the song was a real person with a real family. La Nej is a chaplain, an apologetics teacher, a Biola grad, and someone I've known since the mid-90s. She's also the daughter of the woman the world remembers as Billy Jean. In this conversation La Nej walks through her childhood: being told Michael Jackson was her father, camping outside his Encino gate at age seven, getting abandoned in a taxi the next morning, the years in and out of foster care, the abuse, and the aunt who adopted her at twelve.

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Does the science actually point to a beginning of the universe or can clever cosmological modeling get around it? Sir Roger Penrose's Conformal Cyclic Cosmology (CCC) is one of the most serious modern attempts to model an infinite, beginning-less universe This is Part 2 of the conversation. (If you missed Part 1, watch that first! In this deep dive, Dr. Stephen Meyer walks through Penrose's CCC model in six steps, explains where he believes it works mathematically but fails physically, and shows why every infinite-universe model he and his colleagues have examined comes at what he calls a "high epistemic cost."

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A neuroscientist with a brain tumor. A wife with a strange dream. A demonic encounter. And a healing he can't explain away. Dr. Josh Brown is a professor of psychological and brain sciences at Indiana University and the author of Proving a Miracle. As one of the world's leading researchers studying the empirical effects of prayer, he applies rigorous scientific methods to questions most scientists won't touch and most Christians have been afraid to investigate. In this conversation, Josh is here to share his remarkable personal story and explore what the science actually says about miracles, prayer, and healing.

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Tomas Samuel returns to the show to discuss his new book The Truth Unveiled: A Defense of the Trinity. Once trained to destroy anyone who challenged the Islamic faith, Tomas now devotes his scholarship to answering the most common Muslim objections to the triune nature of God, and his perspective is unlike anything you've heard. We walk through why the Trinity is the doctrine that Muslims attack most aggressively, why most Muslim objections target a straw man, and how the Quran itself misrepresents what Christians actually believe about God.

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In this episode, Dr. Stephen Meyer is back to set the record straight and unpack the bigger argument his critics keep missing. This is the first part of a response to Sir Roger Penrose who recently pushed back on a previous conversation with me on the show. Stephen calls it a "pick your poison" argument and once you see it, you can't unsee it. It's a dilemma at the heart of modern cosmology that philosophical naturalism has not been able to escape.

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Is the universe fine-tuned for life? Or has the fine-tuning argument been defeated? In this conversation, I sit down with Dr. Jay Richards, a philosopher, co-author of The Privileged Planet, and one of the world's leading defenders of the fine-tuning argument to explore one of the most compelling cases for design today. Dr. Richards walks through how the fine-tuning argument has improved over 30 years and why even atheists like Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins have admitted this is the argument that gives them pause.

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